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Picton Y-DNA Chromosome (Male) Family Tree
Picton Y-DNA Chromosome (Male) Family Tree
Updated 09/07/2016
Updated 09/07/2016
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We have come a long way in 10 years. We did all the following with the help and aid of Brian Swann. I still have the Email from National Geographic written in December of 2005 confirming my order for a DNA test. Then I had a test from a company in England that determined that I had SNP S21 which is now also called U106. I did additional tests over time to determine my DNA family tree. A test showed I had SNP L48, another test showed that I was under L47, then L44, then L46, then L525, then L45, then L493, then FGC10247 and finally down to two unique SNP's 17150591/(FGC10255) and 18073982/(FGC10258). Look below, especially at line U106 including below it and notice the details found and the research made in accomplishing this task. This is in the male Y-DNA Chromosome for the Picton Family Tree. What will the next 10 years bring?
We have come a long way in 10 years. We did all the following with the help and aid of Brian Swann. I still have the Email from National Geographic written in December of 2005 confirming my order for a DNA test. Then I had a test from a company in England that determined that I had SNP S21 which is now also called U106. I did additional tests over time to determine my DNA family tree. A test showed I had SNP L48, another test showed that I was under L47, then L44, then L46, then L525, then L45, then L493, then FGC10247 and finally down to two unique SNP's 17150591/(FGC10255) and 18073982/(FGC10258). Look below, especially at line U106 including below it and notice the details found and the research made in accomplishing this task. This is in the male Y-DNA Chromosome for the Picton Family Tree. What will the next 10 years bring?
This discuss only covers male Y-DNA as follows and does not cover other parts of DNA (atDNA) such as European (Autosomal) DNA - that is mine in the European Chromosomes that European descendants may have, or my unique Mothers line X-DNA Chromosome Maternal Line Information that goes back 13 Generations to 1601 and is female Mitochonrial DNA Haplogroup H1aj. Just starting at Y-DNA Haplogroup R1b (Yamnaya tribe below) to now, I and all of us direct male descendants have inherited 100% of the Y-DNA plus the mutations that have occurred (passed down father to son only and not diluted) and 0.00% of each individulal of the atDNA from the Yamnaya tribe but a much larger percentage if you consider the Yamnaya tribe as a whole. The atDNA was redistributed, diluted and over time we completely lose the atDNA of our long ago individual maternal ancestors.
This discuss only covers male Y-DNA as follows and does not cover other parts of DNA (atDNA) such as European (Autosomal) DNA - that is mine in the European Chromosomes that European descendants may have, or my unique Mothers line X-DNA Chromosome Maternal Line Information that goes back 13 Generations to 1601 and is female Mitochonrial DNA Haplogroup H1aj. Just starting at Y-DNA Haplogroup R1b (Yamnaya tribe below) to now, I and all of us direct male descendants have inherited 100% of the Y-DNA plus the mutations that have occurred (passed down father to son only and not diluted) and 0.00% of each individulal of the atDNA from the Yamnaya tribe but a much larger percentage if you consider the Yamnaya tribe as a whole. The atDNA was redistributed, diluted and over time we completely lose the atDNA of our long ago individual maternal ancestors.
My below male Y-DNA family tree contains estimated dates for the SNP when the time period for the MRCA (Most Recent Common Ancestor) lived. Each YDNA Haplogroup break is a start of a new SNP where many different paths branch out. These are only my ancestor branches. Each SNP or branch is similar to a family surname before the time of surnames.
My below male Y-DNA family tree contains estimated dates for the SNP when the time period for the MRCA (Most Recent Common Ancestor) lived. Each YDNA Haplogroup break is a start of a new SNP where many different paths branch out. These are only my ancestor branches. Each SNP or branch is similar to a family surname before the time of surnames.
Warning: The ages and physical locations are given to best describe the current DNA data and may not be accurate.
Warning: The ages and physical locations are given to best describe the current DNA data and may not be accurate.
YDNA Haplogroup is Y-chromosomal Adam. First Man (Adam) with age about 200,000 to 300,000 years *YBP (“Years Before Present,” starting with 1950 AD as the most recent base year). Note: A time frame of more than 100,000 years ago can not be measured by the radiocarbon dating method because carbon in what once was living matter in anything older than 100,000 years ago has reached its maximum deterioration similar to carbon in matter that was never in living matter. Carbon dating works because the carbon-14 isotope is produced in the upper atmosphere by cosmic rays. Plants absorb CO2 from the air; animals eat the plants. Therefore, you can work out when something died up to between 50,000 to 100,000 years ago by measuring how much of the carbon-14 has radioactively decayed. Carbon-14 dating is designed to work on things that once were living. Carbon-14 dating will not work on carbon that never was in living matter because the CO2 embedded in none living matter has not been part of the atmosphere for a long time.
YDNA Haplogroup is Y-chromosomal Adam. First Man (Adam) with age about 200,000 to 300,000 years *YBP (“Years Before Present,” starting with 1950 AD as the most recent base year). Note: A time frame of more than 100,000 years ago can not be measured by the radiocarbon dating method because carbon in what once was living matter in anything older than 100,000 years ago has reached its maximum deterioration similar to carbon in matter that was never in living matter. Carbon dating works because the carbon-14 isotope is produced in the upper atmosphere by cosmic rays. Plants absorb CO2 from the air; animals eat the plants. Therefore, you can work out when something died up to between 50,000 to 100,000 years ago by measuring how much of the carbon-14 has radioactively decayed. Carbon-14 dating is designed to work on things that once were living. Carbon-14 dating will not work on carbon that never was in living matter because the CO2 embedded in none living matter has not been part of the atmosphere for a long time.
YDNA Haplogroup is A0-T
YDNA Haplogroup is A0-T
YDNA Haplogroup is A1
YDNA Haplogroup is A1
YDNA Haplogroup is A1b
YDNA Haplogroup is A1b
YDNA Haplogroup is BT with age estimated between 70,000 to 80,000 Years *YBP. YBP possible origin is Africa.
YDNA Haplogroup is BT with age estimated between 70,000 to 80,000 Years *YBP. YBP possible origin is Africa.
YDNA Haplogroup is F age estimated between 70,000 to 75,000 Years YBP. F possible origin is South Asia or Arabian Peninsula.
YDNA Haplogroup is F age estimated between 70,000 to 75,000 Years YBP. F possible origin is South Asia or Arabian Peninsula.
YDNA Haplogroup is P with age estimated between 27,000 to 45,000 Years YBP. An Eastern European hunter-gatherers group with Y-DNA P are ancestors to Y-DNA R.
YDNA Haplogroup is P with age estimated between 27,000 to 45,000 Years YBP. An Eastern European hunter-gatherers group with Y-DNA P are ancestors to Y-DNA R.
YDNA Haplogroup is R with age estimated between 24,000 to 34,300 Years YBP. R origin may be in Central or South Asia.
YDNA Haplogroup is R with age estimated between 24,000 to 34,300 Years YBP. R origin may be in Central or South Asia.
YDNA Haplogroup is R1 with age estimated between 12,500 to 25,700 Years YBP. The Eastern European hunter-gatherers group inter marry with a group of people trapped in the Black Sea (Crimea, Ukraine area) called Western Steppe Populations for up to 15,000 years by the last ice age to form the Yamnaya Tribe. This causes the male ancestor Y-DNA for Rib DNA to now be in the Yamnaya Tribe. This may also be called the Western steppe populations which have taller genes.
YDNA Haplogroup is R1 with age estimated between 12,500 to 25,700 Years YBP. The Eastern European hunter-gatherers group inter marry with a group of people trapped in the Black Sea (Crimea, Ukraine area) called Western Steppe Populations for up to 15,000 years by the last ice age to form the Yamnaya Tribe. This causes the male ancestor Y-DNA for Rib DNA to now be in the Yamnaya Tribe. This may also be called the Western steppe populations which have taller genes.
YDNA Haplogroup is R1b (R-M343/etc with age less than 18,500 years YBP. R1b history and origin is now the Yamnaya Tribe (Yamna people) leaving the Black Sea (Crimea, Ukraine area) about 8,000 Years YBP. All of the R1b in Western Europe is assumed to have come from one L11 man but the L11 man was not born in the Western Steppes of Russia because there are no successful known P312 or U106 basal branches in the Western Steppe at present. By falsely assuming L11 was founded in the Western Steppe, then the lack of L11 branches unique to Western Steppe countries is the reason L11 is expected to be founded in Europe.
YDNA Haplogroup is R1b (R-M343/etc with age less than 18,500 years YBP. R1b history and origin is now the Yamnaya Tribe (Yamna people) leaving the Black Sea (Crimea, Ukraine area) about 8,000 Years YBP. All of the R1b in Western Europe is assumed to have come from one L11 man but the L11 man was not born in the Western Steppes of Russia because there are no successful known P312 or U106 basal branches in the Western Steppe at present. By falsely assuming L11 was founded in the Western Steppe, then the lack of L11 branches unique to Western Steppe countries is the reason L11 is expected to be founded in Europe.
YDNA Haplogroup is R-P25/etc
YDNA Haplogroup is R-P25/etc
YDNA Haplogroup is R-L389/etc age 13,800 BC
YDNA Haplogroup is R-L389/etc age 13,800 BC
YDNA Haplogroup is R-P297/etc age 13,200 BC. About a 14,000 YBP age grave (Ice Age) has been found in Villabruna, Italy.
YDNA Haplogroup is R-P297/etc age 13,200 BC. About a 14,000 YBP age grave (Ice Age) has been found in Villabruna, Italy.
YDNA Haplogroup is R-M269/etc (R1b1a2) formed in the Western Steppes about 4065 BC (4400 BC) because of the multiple ancient M269 burials in the Steppe, the lack of burials in Europe, and the distribution of M269xL23 in south-west Russia, the Ukraine and Causasus. Indo-European languages form an additional connection. They are common where R1b-M269 is found. The Yamna people were a highly mobile steppe culture of pastoral nomads who probably originated from Eastern Europe, between the Lower Don, the Lower Volga and North Caucasus, between 3300 and 2700 BCE. As the Yamna people moved eastwards , they may have used the Hexi Corridor region – a historical route which would later form part of the Northern Silk Road – as a hub for an East Asian spread of cultural elements, domesticated animals and plants. They domesticated horses, which they rode to manage cattle herds.These horse-riding skills also gave them the possibility to travel long distances and spread their culture and agricultural practices across large stretches of land. The leading hypothesis is that the Proto-Indo-European language originated in the Western Steppes, in contact with Uralic (Ural Mountains of central Russia) speakers. One 14,000 YBP age grave has been found in Europe with ancestors to R1b-M269 DNA prior to the Bronze Age. Few R-M269 Y-DNA ancestors existed in Europe prior to about 2500 BC and now makes up over half the male population. Modern populations show that R-M269xL11 strongly concentrates in south-eastern Europe, with excursions into the Middle East and western former USSR. It is not generally found in Western Europe.
YDNA Haplogroup is R-M269/etc (R1b1a2) formed in the Western Steppes about 4065 BC (4400 BC) because of the multiple ancient M269 burials in the Steppe, the lack of burials in Europe, and the distribution of M269xL23 in south-west Russia, the Ukraine and Causasus. Indo-European languages form an additional connection. They are common where R1b-M269 is found. The Yamna people were a highly mobile steppe culture of pastoral nomads who probably originated from Eastern Europe, between the Lower Don, the Lower Volga and North Caucasus, between 3300 and 2700 BCE. As the Yamna people moved eastwards , they may have used the Hexi Corridor region – a historical route which would later form part of the Northern Silk Road – as a hub for an East Asian spread of cultural elements, domesticated animals and plants. They domesticated horses, which they rode to manage cattle herds.These horse-riding skills also gave them the possibility to travel long distances and spread their culture and agricultural practices across large stretches of land. The leading hypothesis is that the Proto-Indo-European language originated in the Western Steppes, in contact with Uralic (Ural Mountains of central Russia) speakers. One 14,000 YBP age grave has been found in Europe with ancestors to R1b-M269 DNA prior to the Bronze Age. Few R-M269 Y-DNA ancestors existed in Europe prior to about 2500 BC and now makes up over half the male population. Modern populations show that R-M269xL11 strongly concentrates in south-eastern Europe, with excursions into the Middle East and western former USSR. It is not generally found in Western Europe.
YDNA Haplogroup is R-L23 is believed to have formed in the Western Steppes about 3936 BC
YDNA Haplogroup is R-L23 is believed to have formed in the Western Steppes about 3936 BC
YDNA Haplogroup is R-L51/etc age 3550 BC. The presence of L51+ L11- branches in the Western Steppes of Russia is the reason it is supposed that L51 was founded in the Western Steppe. So the migration to Europe if this happen as expected, comes between occurrence of L51 and L11.
YDNA Haplogroup is R-L51/etc age 3550 BC. The presence of L51+ L11- branches in the Western Steppes of Russia is the reason it is supposed that L51 was founded in the Western Steppe. So the migration to Europe if this happen as expected, comes between occurrence of L51 and L11.
YDNA Haplogroup is R-L11/etc age 2777 BC. With L11 is believed to have formed in Europe about 5,000 years ago. This is suggested because of the lack of L11 burials in the Steppe, but a number of L11>P312 and single L11>U106 ancient burials in Europe. It fits current time frames given for the Western Steppe migration in some recent study's. Iain McDonald says "Allentoft and other recent studies (Haak, Lazardis, etc.) give a very strong indication that L11 formed and arrived in north-western / north-central Europe around 3000 BC. Archaeologically, it ties in very well with the Corded Ware culture and its precursors. The earliest M269 (probably L11xU106), remains we have, are those from Kromsdorf. Those individuals died before 2500 BC. The latest pre-Corded Ware burials are those from Esperstedt and Salzmuende, buried after 3400 BC. We can therefore be pretty confident that L11 arrived in modern-day Germany at some point between 3400 BC and 2500 BC. We don't know if it was with the Corded Ware culture, shortly before them (e.g. the associated Globular Amphorae culture), or shortly after the initial wave." Modern populations show that R-L11 is now largely confined to Europe.
YDNA Haplogroup is R-L11/etc age 2777 BC. With L11 is believed to have formed in Europe about 5,000 years ago. This is suggested because of the lack of L11 burials in the Steppe, but a number of L11>P312 and single L11>U106 ancient burials in Europe. It fits current time frames given for the Western Steppe migration in some recent study's. Iain McDonald says "Allentoft and other recent studies (Haak, Lazardis, etc.) give a very strong indication that L11 formed and arrived in north-western / north-central Europe around 3000 BC. Archaeologically, it ties in very well with the Corded Ware culture and its precursors. The earliest M269 (probably L11xU106), remains we have, are those from Kromsdorf. Those individuals died before 2500 BC. The latest pre-Corded Ware burials are those from Esperstedt and Salzmuende, buried after 3400 BC. We can therefore be pretty confident that L11 arrived in modern-day Germany at some point between 3400 BC and 2500 BC. We don't know if it was with the Corded Ware culture, shortly before them (e.g. the associated Globular Amphorae culture), or shortly after the initial wave." Modern populations show that R-L11 is now largely confined to Europe.
YDNA Haplogroup is R-P311/etc age 2712 BC. Below this level R-P311 splits into two branches which are the larger R-P312 and my below smaller R-U106. Both R-P312 (R1b1a2a1a2) and R-U106 (R1b1a2a1a1) formed in Europe. The Oblaczkowo in Poland (2865-2578 BC, Corded Ware), results slightly favor an arrival of our ancestors via a route north of the Carpathian mountains, rather than to the south via the River Danube. A major P312 group can be traced back to near the Black Forest or Czech Republic. The markedly different distributions of the P312 subclades (U152, L21, DF27) indicate that P312 continued to migrate and expand. The similar distributions of the U106 subclades (Z18, Z381, L48) suggest it initially stayed put. The upper clades of U106 show no obvious differences in distribution across Europe. This implies a near-stationary population for at least 300 years. In fact, it is difficult to identify clear signs of migration until nearly 1000 years after U106 formed. It is believed that the P312 and U106 ancestors came from the Steppes of Russia.
YDNA Haplogroup is R-P311/etc age 2712 BC. Below this level R-P311 splits into two branches which are the larger R-P312 and my below smaller R-U106. Both R-P312 (R1b1a2a1a2) and R-U106 (R1b1a2a1a1) formed in Europe. The Oblaczkowo in Poland (2865-2578 BC, Corded Ware), results slightly favor an arrival of our ancestors via a route north of the Carpathian mountains, rather than to the south via the River Danube. A major P312 group can be traced back to near the Black Forest or Czech Republic. The markedly different distributions of the P312 subclades (U152, L21, DF27) indicate that P312 continued to migrate and expand. The similar distributions of the U106 subclades (Z18, Z381, L48) suggest it initially stayed put. The upper clades of U106 show no obvious differences in distribution across Europe. This implies a near-stationary population for at least 300 years. In fact, it is difficult to identify clear signs of migration until nearly 1000 years after U106 formed. It is believed that the P312 and U106 ancestors came from the Steppes of Russia.
YDNA Haplogroup is **R-U106/S21 age 3022 BC (3699 BC - 2465 BC). In addition to the information that follows, there is an article about U106 and a Website Devoted to R-U106 Research. It is known that U106 believed in Bohemia, (Czech Republic) (maybe Germany or Southern Sweden). (Recently older R-U106 Y-DNA has been found in Bohemia, (Czech Republic)). (Actual 4,000 year old remains have been found in Sweden that are U106+. A leading hypothesis is that U106 arrival in Central Europe is associated with Corded Ware culture arrival in about 2900-2600 BC. Some estimate the Corded Ware migration speed east to west at about 10 miles per year. At the same time the R-U106 population was expected to have been expanding at roughly 40% per generation. Some suggest this could mean that the population would triple or even quadruple within 125 years, and travel over 1000 miles from from where they started. Now, most U106 are probably not Germanic. R-U106 represents about 1/8 of the male population of Europe. A five year old study and map where U106 men currently exist in Europe is at U106 Location Study and Map (Look at Table 1 for the frequencies of different haplogroups and at Figure 4 for a map of U106/S21 locations). It is estimated that U106 did not arrive at the earliest in the British Isles until 2000 BC. Before U106 formed, the U106 ancestors had to travel from the Black Sea (Crimea, Ukraine area) to this area over a time frame between 8,000 YBP to 4524 YBP (2574 BC). The entire surviving U106 Haplogroup has a dearth of clade formation in the 1400 to 400 BC period meaning a population bottleneck occurred in that time frame and very few U106 survived. What could it have been? Maybe it was something like this Huge Bronze Age Battle about 3,000 years ago or something similar. It is not known at the present time if any of these people in the battle were U106. The two oldest U106 graves also known as (R1ba2a1a1) graves found in England near ancient York are from the Roman period (pre-Anglo-Saxon). The further distributions of U106 mutating to Z381 mutating to Z18 then mutating to Z301 suggest they probably originated in the same tribe, since similar distributions are now in Europe. Today's U106 population distribution suggest a slow steady growth during its expansion.
YDNA Haplogroup is **R-U106/S21 age 3022 BC (3699 BC - 2465 BC). In addition to the information that follows, there is an article about U106 and a Website Devoted to R-U106 Research. It is known that U106 believed in Bohemia, (Czech Republic) (maybe Germany or Southern Sweden). (Recently older R-U106 Y-DNA has been found in Bohemia, (Czech Republic)). (Actual 4,000 year old remains have been found in Sweden that are U106+. A leading hypothesis is that U106 arrival in Central Europe is associated with Corded Ware culture arrival in about 2900-2600 BC. Some estimate the Corded Ware migration speed east to west at about 10 miles per year. At the same time the R-U106 population was expected to have been expanding at roughly 40% per generation. Some suggest this could mean that the population would triple or even quadruple within 125 years, and travel over 1000 miles from from where they started. Now, most U106 are probably not Germanic. R-U106 represents about 1/8 of the male population of Europe. A five year old study and map where U106 men currently exist in Europe is at U106 Location Study and Map (Look at Table 1 for the frequencies of different haplogroups and at Figure 4 for a map of U106/S21 locations). It is estimated that U106 did not arrive at the earliest in the British Isles until 2000 BC. Before U106 formed, the U106 ancestors had to travel from the Black Sea (Crimea, Ukraine area) to this area over a time frame between 8,000 YBP to 4524 YBP (2574 BC). The entire surviving U106 Haplogroup has a dearth of clade formation in the 1400 to 400 BC period meaning a population bottleneck occurred in that time frame and very few U106 survived. What could it have been? Maybe it was something like this Huge Bronze Age Battle about 3,000 years ago or something similar. It is not known at the present time if any of these people in the battle were U106. The two oldest U106 graves also known as (R1ba2a1a1) graves found in England near ancient York are from the Roman period (pre-Anglo-Saxon). The further distributions of U106 mutating to Z381 mutating to Z18 then mutating to Z301 suggest they probably originated in the same tribe, since similar distributions are now in Europe. Today's U106 population distribution suggest a slow steady growth during its expansion.
YDNA Haplogroup is R-Z381/S263 age 2964 BC (3589 BC - 2432 BC)
YDNA Haplogroup is R-Z381/S263 age 2964 BC (3589 BC - 2432 BC)
YDNA Haplogroup is R-Z301/S499 age 2752 BC (3362 BC-2211 BC)
YDNA Haplogroup is R-Z301/S499 age 2752 BC (3362 BC-2211 BC)
YDNA Haplogroup is R-L48/S162 is ISOGG R1b1a2a1a1c2b age 2598 BC (3182 BC - 2080 BC). Some experts say L48 represents an approximately constant percentage across the whole of Europe, not just Germany. One of the experts suggests - but who knows - that the population that L48 arose in was indistinguishable from the population that U106 arose in.
YDNA Haplogroup is R-L48/S162 is ISOGG R1b1a2a1a1c2b age 2598 BC (3182 BC - 2080 BC). Some experts say L48 represents an approximately constant percentage across the whole of Europe, not just Germany. One of the experts suggests - but who knows - that the population that L48 arose in was indistinguishable from the population that U106 arose in.
YDNA Haplogroup is R-L47/S170 is ISOGG R1b1a1a2a1a1c2b1 age 2283 BC (2929 BC - 1673 BC). Some say the origins of L47 are now more simplified by the discovery of the FGC8590 founder effect in the Baltic States.
YDNA Haplogroup is R-L47/S170 is ISOGG R1b1a1a2a1a1c2b1 age 2283 BC (2929 BC - 1673 BC). Some say the origins of L47 are now more simplified by the discovery of the FGC8590 founder effect in the Baltic States.
YDNA Haplogroup is R-L44/S171 age 1935 BC (2631 BC - 1279 BC)
YDNA Haplogroup is R-L44/S171 age 1935 BC (2631 BC - 1279 BC)
YDNA Haplogroup is R-L163/S352 is ISOGG R1b1a2a1a1c2b1a1 age 1692 (2368 BC - 1076 BC)
YDNA Haplogroup is R-L163/S352 is ISOGG R1b1a2a1a1c2b1a1 age 1692 (2368 BC - 1076 BC)
YDNA Haplogroup is R-L46/S172 and R-L525 age 1415 BC (2120 BC - 742 BC). The Nichols(369019)/Hallatt(131142)/Burgess(35011)/Picton(N20541)/Robinette(27477)/McKibbin(N15419)/Try(490251)/Clark(B9236)/Durr(108880) families are all R-L46. The family identification Kit Numbers such as N20541 is the number assigned by Family Tree DNA (example: N20541 is assigned to Owen Picton). Because Mr Durr has SNP L46 but not L45, it means that the Mr. Durr(108880) ancestor families split off before the R-L45 SNP occurred. Mr Durr has 29 new unique SNP's created after splitting off from Nichols/Hallatt/Burgess/Picton. How many years would it take for 29 new unique SNP's to occur? The Nichols/Hallatt/Burgess/Picton families, The Robinette/Gairson families and Mr. Durr families information is from the results of the Big Y tests run by FTDNA and the information complied in a report from a file at R1b1c_U106-S21_Haplogroup. Select the file similar to "Big Y ???.csv" and then load it into a spreadsheet. Move to the right until you see L48 and then L47 below. Some of the last L46 to L493 families are Nichols, Hallatt, Burgess, Picton, Clark, Robinette, Gairson and Durr. Then move down comparing the families. Notice the Durr family does not have L45 and the Robinette /Gairson families do not have L493.
YDNA Haplogroup is R-L46/S172 and R-L525 age 1415 BC (2120 BC - 742 BC). The Nichols(369019)/Hallatt(131142)/Burgess(35011)/Picton(N20541)/Robinette(27477)/McKibbin(N15419)/Try(490251)/Clark(B9236)/Durr(108880) families are all R-L46. The family identification Kit Numbers such as N20541 is the number assigned by Family Tree DNA (example: N20541 is assigned to Owen Picton). Because Mr Durr has SNP L46 but not L45, it means that the Mr. Durr(108880) ancestor families split off before the R-L45 SNP occurred. Mr Durr has 29 new unique SNP's created after splitting off from Nichols/Hallatt/Burgess/Picton. How many years would it take for 29 new unique SNP's to occur? The Nichols/Hallatt/Burgess/Picton families, The Robinette/Gairson families and Mr. Durr families information is from the results of the Big Y tests run by FTDNA and the information complied in a report from a file at R1b1c_U106-S21_Haplogroup. Select the file similar to "Big Y ???.csv" and then load it into a spreadsheet. Move to the right until you see L48 and then L47 below. Some of the last L46 to L493 families are Nichols, Hallatt, Burgess, Picton, Clark, Robinette, Gairson and Durr. Then move down comparing the families. Notice the Durr family does not have L45 and the Robinette /Gairson families do not have L493.
YDNA Haplogroup is R-L45/S353 and R-L164/S502 and R-L237 age 367 BC (1043 BC - 187 AD). The Robinette(27477), Gairson(561441) and McKibbin(N15419) families split off here and have 22476838/FGC10241 but do not have R-L493. The Robinette family has 12 new unique SNP's and the Gairson family has 17 new unique SNP's created after splitting off from Nichols/Hallatt/Burgess/Picton. The SNP 22476838/FGC10241 occurred before the SNP L493 was created because we know Robinette(27477) and Gairson(561441) have 22476838/FGC10241. It is known that the Picton Family has SNP's R-L45, R-L477 and L493. To view L45 SNP's in the R-U106 STR Listings, click on STR Listings, then go to the bottom of the page, select page 3 and top of page 4, go down to R-L48, go down to R-L47 and then continue on down to R-L493. This STR Listing currently shows about 33 people who are L45 which includes those who are L493. The 33 people all list there ancestor origin as either from England, Scotland, Ireland, unknown or Wales except one person who has a German origin. Could with so many United Kingdom origins listed, be an indication that the L45 and L493 origin be in the United Kingdom back about 2000 years ago? It is estimated that the R-L45 age is 367 BC (1043 BC - 187 AD) and R-L493 age is 110 AD (466 BC - 583 AD) with a 95% confidence. Could the lack of more than one person from main land Europe be an indication that the L45 and L493 ancestor immigration occurred about 2000 years ago from Germany? Maybe they immigrated to the UK as part of the Roman Army or even helped build Hadrian's Wall?
YDNA Haplogroup is R-L45/S353 and R-L164/S502 and R-L237 age 367 BC (1043 BC - 187 AD). The Robinette(27477), Gairson(561441) and McKibbin(N15419) families split off here and have 22476838/FGC10241 but do not have R-L493. The Robinette family has 12 new unique SNP's and the Gairson family has 17 new unique SNP's created after splitting off from Nichols/Hallatt/Burgess/Picton. The SNP 22476838/FGC10241 occurred before the SNP L493 was created because we know Robinette(27477) and Gairson(561441) have 22476838/FGC10241. It is known that the Picton Family has SNP's R-L45, R-L477 and L493. To view L45 SNP's in the R-U106 STR Listings, click on STR Listings, then go to the bottom of the page, select page 3 and top of page 4, go down to R-L48, go down to R-L47 and then continue on down to R-L493. This STR Listing currently shows about 33 people who are L45 which includes those who are L493. The 33 people all list there ancestor origin as either from England, Scotland, Ireland, unknown or Wales except one person who has a German origin. Could with so many United Kingdom origins listed, be an indication that the L45 and L493 origin be in the United Kingdom back about 2000 years ago? It is estimated that the R-L45 age is 367 BC (1043 BC - 187 AD) and R-L493 age is 110 AD (466 BC - 583 AD) with a 95% confidence. Could the lack of more than one person from main land Europe be an indication that the L45 and L493 ancestor immigration occurred about 2000 years ago from Germany? Maybe they immigrated to the UK as part of the Roman Army or even helped build Hadrian's Wall?
YDNA Haplogroup is R-L477 and R-L493 age 110 AD (466 BC - 583 AD) has another name from ISOGG called R1b1a2a1a1c2b1a1a1a. R-L493 is found mostly in the United Kingdom with the Picton family being the only one from Wales. The YDNA Haplogroup tree at the time of the Nichols/Hallatt/Burgess/Picton split has an age estimated at about 1,800 years *YBP. It contained known YDNA Haplogroup SNP's unique to all the Nichols/Hallatt/Picton families. These SNP's formed after the L46 SNP started and before the Nichols/Hallatt/Burgess/Picton split which are 2867288/L477, 7244073/FGC13661, 8638850.CT.C, 10004175/FGC10248, 14535289/S1924, 15116138/L45/S353, 15701859/L164/S502, 15800326/L493, 22476838/FGC10241, and 23405659/CTS11988. To view common L477 and L493 SNP's in the R-U106 STR Listings, click on STR Listings, then go to the bottom of the page, select page 3 and top of page 4, go down to R-L48, go down to R-L47 and then continue on down to R-L493 and R-L477. We do not know the name of this Try/Clark/Nichols/Hallatt/Burgess/Picton common ancestor except we can estimate by DNA mutation rate about when he lived. The Big Y report shows at least eight different ancestor paths that split off below R-L493 and they are YDNA Haplogroups R-L493; R-A14298/15724748(Try) and (Clark); R-FGC10248 and R-L292(Venter); R-FGC10248 and R-FGC30616(Nichols/Hallatt); and R-FGC10248 and R-FGC10249(Andersson), (Burgess) and (Picton). There common ancestor would be R-L493. R-L493 (Turner), (Try) and(Clark) have R-L493 and 7244073/FGC13661 but does not have 10004175/FGC10248 which means they split off separately after R-L493.
YDNA Haplogroup is R-L477 and R-L493 age 110 AD (466 BC - 583 AD) has another name from ISOGG called R1b1a2a1a1c2b1a1a1a. R-L493 is found mostly in the United Kingdom with the Picton family being the only one from Wales. The YDNA Haplogroup tree at the time of the Nichols/Hallatt/Burgess/Picton split has an age estimated at about 1,800 years *YBP. It contained known YDNA Haplogroup SNP's unique to all the Nichols/Hallatt/Picton families. These SNP's formed after the L46 SNP started and before the Nichols/Hallatt/Burgess/Picton split which are 2867288/L477, 7244073/FGC13661, 8638850.CT.C, 10004175/FGC10248, 14535289/S1924, 15116138/L45/S353, 15701859/L164/S502, 15800326/L493, 22476838/FGC10241, and 23405659/CTS11988. To view common L477 and L493 SNP's in the R-U106 STR Listings, click on STR Listings, then go to the bottom of the page, select page 3 and top of page 4, go down to R-L48, go down to R-L47 and then continue on down to R-L493 and R-L477. We do not know the name of this Try/Clark/Nichols/Hallatt/Burgess/Picton common ancestor except we can estimate by DNA mutation rate about when he lived. The Big Y report shows at least eight different ancestor paths that split off below R-L493 and they are YDNA Haplogroups R-L493; R-A14298/15724748(Try) and (Clark); R-FGC10248 and R-L292(Venter); R-FGC10248 and R-FGC30616(Nichols/Hallatt); and R-FGC10248 and R-FGC10249(Andersson), (Burgess) and (Picton). There common ancestor would be R-L493. R-L493 (Turner), (Try) and(Clark) have R-L493 and 7244073/FGC13661 but does not have 10004175/FGC10248 which means they split off separately after R-L493.
YDNA Haplogroup is R-A14298/15724748 age 707 AD ( 146 AD BC - 1180 AD) after SNP R-L493 are the Try and Clark families.
YDNA Haplogroup is R-A14298/15724748 age 707 AD ( 146 AD BC - 1180 AD) after SNP R-L493 are the Try and Clark families.
YDNA Haplogroup is FGC10248 age 235 AD (285 BC - 678 AD) after SNP R-L493. The Forrest-227594 family is shown having R-L493. Also, the YSEQ company shows the Forrest family having 10004175/FGC10248. This means the Forrest family split after R-L493 and 10004175/FGC10248 was created and before the above Nichols/Hallatt/Burgess/Picton/Venter families came into being. The Nichols/Hallatt/Burgess/Picton/Venter families all have the SNP 10004175/FGC10248. The R-L493 tree up to my Picton branch based the on Big Y test from FTDNA would be Turner, Try and Clark families branch, Forrest branch, Venter branch, Nicholls/Hallatt branch, Burgess branch, Dean A. Picton branch and Owen Picton branch. This is how I view it and depends on who you are making the last branch. I placed the Andersson, Burgess and Picton families next to each other on the tree because the Andersson, Burgess and Picton families have SNP 14253518/FGC10249 and the rest do not.
YDNA Haplogroup is FGC10248 age 235 AD (285 BC - 678 AD) after SNP R-L493. The Forrest-227594 family is shown having R-L493. Also, the YSEQ company shows the Forrest family having 10004175/FGC10248. This means the Forrest family split after R-L493 and 10004175/FGC10248 was created and before the above Nichols/Hallatt/Burgess/Picton/Venter families came into being. The Nichols/Hallatt/Burgess/Picton/Venter families all have the SNP 10004175/FGC10248. The R-L493 tree up to my Picton branch based the on Big Y test from FTDNA would be Turner, Try and Clark families branch, Forrest branch, Venter branch, Nicholls/Hallatt branch, Burgess branch, Dean A. Picton branch and Owen Picton branch. This is how I view it and depends on who you are making the last branch. I placed the Andersson, Burgess and Picton families next to each other on the tree because the Andersson, Burgess and Picton families have SNP 14253518/FGC10249 and the rest do not.
A YDNA Haplogroup unique SNP name R-L292 is for the Venter(109845) Family right after SNP 10004175/FGC10248.
A YDNA Haplogroup unique SNP name R-L292 is for the Venter(109845) Family right after SNP 10004175/FGC10248.
YDNA Haplogroup is R-FGC30616/BY9033/7137550 with age 1323 AD (785 AD - 1688 AD) for the Nichols/Hallatt families right after SNP 1004175/FGC10248. The SNP's unique to the Nichols/Hallatt families split are FGC30616, lFGC30618, FGC30619, FGC30623, FGC30625, FGC30626, FGC30627, and FGC30629. The Nichols/Hallatt families do not have SNP 14253518/(FGC10249) which the Burgress/Picton families have. The ages are calculated for R-U106 down to and including R-FGC30616 on the Raymond Wing's Complete Tree. The age for R-FCG30616 is right after R-L493 on the tree. Note: On the ISOGG Tree the SNP R-L493 has an ISOGG name of R1b1a1a2a1a1c2b1a1a1a. Just below R-L493 there are 7 or 8 unique SNP's listed starting with FGC30616 above and having an ISOGG name of R1b1a1a2a1a1c2b1a1a1a1.
YDNA Haplogroup is R-FGC30616/BY9033/7137550 with age 1323 AD (785 AD - 1688 AD) for the Nichols/Hallatt families right after SNP 1004175/FGC10248. The SNP's unique to the Nichols/Hallatt families split are FGC30616, lFGC30618, FGC30619, FGC30623, FGC30625, FGC30626, FGC30627, and FGC30629. The Nichols/Hallatt families do not have SNP 14253518/(FGC10249) which the Burgress/Picton families have. The ages are calculated for R-U106 down to and including R-FGC30616 on the Raymond Wing's Complete Tree. The age for R-FCG30616 is right after R-L493 on the tree. Note: On the ISOGG Tree the SNP R-L493 has an ISOGG name of R1b1a1a2a1a1c2b1a1a1a. Just below R-L493 there are 7 or 8 unique SNP's listed starting with FGC30616 above and having an ISOGG name of R1b1a1a2a1a1c2b1a1a1a1.
YDNA Haplogroup is R-FGC10249 with age 392 AD (026 BC - 828 AD) for the Andersson/Burgress/Picton families right after SNP 10004175/FGC10248 The Andersson/Burgess/Picton families all have SNP 14253518/(FGC10249) unique to them which the SNP R-FGC30616 Nichols/Hallatt families do not have. So the Andersson famly(family location from Sweden), Burgess family(family location from England) and Picton family(family location from Wales) all split off later and are more closely related with there common ancestor living about 478 AD when R-FGC10249 occured. The Andersson family has about 12 additional unique SNP's, Picton and Burgess families do not have. The Burgess family has about 19 additional unique SNP's starting with 2980820.T.C, which the Andersson and Picton family do not have. The Picton families has about 9 unique SNP's which both the Owen Picton and Dean A. Picton families both have plus Owen Picton has 2 more additional unique SNP's which Dean A. Picton does not have for a total of 11 SNP's which the Andersson and Burgess family do not have. The Owen Picton family tree line can be traced back to about 1250 AD in Wales. So the Andersson/Burgess/Picton ancestors in the time frame between 478 AD and 1250 AD were living where and doing what?
YDNA Haplogroup is R-FGC10249 with age 392 AD (026 BC - 828 AD) for the Andersson/Burgress/Picton families right after SNP 10004175/FGC10248 The Andersson/Burgess/Picton families all have SNP 14253518/(FGC10249) unique to them which the SNP R-FGC30616 Nichols/Hallatt families do not have. So the Andersson famly(family location from Sweden), Burgess family(family location from England) and Picton family(family location from Wales) all split off later and are more closely related with there common ancestor living about 478 AD when R-FGC10249 occured. The Andersson family has about 12 additional unique SNP's, Picton and Burgess families do not have. The Burgess family has about 19 additional unique SNP's starting with 2980820.T.C, which the Andersson and Picton family do not have. The Picton families has about 9 unique SNP's which both the Owen Picton and Dean A. Picton families both have plus Owen Picton has 2 more additional unique SNP's which Dean A. Picton does not have for a total of 11 SNP's which the Andersson and Burgess family do not have. The Owen Picton family tree line can be traced back to about 1250 AD in Wales. So the Andersson/Burgess/Picton ancestors in the time frame between 478 AD and 1250 AD were living where and doing what?
A YDNA Haplogroup unique SNP name FGC10247 age 1454 AD (978 AD - 1762 AD) is for both the Picton families right after FGC10249 which is then right after L493. There are 9 unique SNP's after Nichols/Hallatt/Burgess/Picton split which are common to both Owen Picton and Dean A. Picton. The Picton families uniquely known 9 SNP's are 8519194/(FGC10247), 8801380.AG.A, 15353475/(FGC10252), 15784769/(FGC10253), 17881502/(FGC10256), 22440176/(FGC10263), 23410034/(FGC10266) and 23472658/(FGC10267). These are listed on the Family Tree DNA under the Big Y Matching report. The other Picton families who we know are related, most likely could have all of these unique YDNA Haplogroups depending when our common ancestor split may have happen. It could have happen up to 600 or more years ago and before some of Picton YDNA haplogroups originated. These other Picton families most likely would have originated there own new unique SNP's after the common Picton ancestor split.
A YDNA Haplogroup unique SNP name FGC10247 age 1454 AD (978 AD - 1762 AD) is for both the Picton families right after FGC10249 which is then right after L493. There are 9 unique SNP's after Nichols/Hallatt/Burgess/Picton split which are common to both Owen Picton and Dean A. Picton. The Picton families uniquely known 9 SNP's are 8519194/(FGC10247), 8801380.AG.A, 15353475/(FGC10252), 15784769/(FGC10253), 17881502/(FGC10256), 22440176/(FGC10263), 23410034/(FGC10266) and 23472658/(FGC10267). These are listed on the Family Tree DNA under the Big Y Matching report. The other Picton families who we know are related, most likely could have all of these unique YDNA Haplogroups depending when our common ancestor split may have happen. It could have happen up to 600 or more years ago and before some of Picton YDNA haplogroups originated. These other Picton families most likely would have originated there own new unique SNP's after the common Picton ancestor split.
It has been estimated that Owen Picton (myself), Dean Picton and other Picton's whose ancestors came from Pembrokeshire, Wales share a common ancestor in a Jenkin Picton, who lived around 1434. There is an unbroken family tree paper trail for Owen Picton, but Dean’s family tree connection is based on a best assessment of current evidence but has no confirmed paper trail before 1780. Owen Picton’s line has extensive documentation in terms of Wills, Administrations, and Manorial Deeds and Documents and it is said making any connection for most other Picton lines after 1500 pretty unlikely.
It has been estimated that Owen Picton (myself), Dean Picton and other Picton's whose ancestors came from Pembrokeshire, Wales share a common ancestor in a Jenkin Picton, who lived around 1434. There is an unbroken family tree paper trail for Owen Picton, but Dean’s family tree connection is based on a best assessment of current evidence but has no confirmed paper trail before 1780. Owen Picton’s line has extensive documentation in terms of Wills, Administrations, and Manorial Deeds and Documents and it is said making any connection for most other Picton lines after 1500 pretty unlikely.
YDNA Haplogroups for the Owen Picton family have 2 additional unique SNP's by Big Y Haploogroup file 17150591/(FGC10255) and 18073982/(FGC10258) occurring (or three additional unique SNP's 13816165, 15038711 and 15962102 are shown by Big Y of FTDNA occurring) which do not show up for Dean Picton on the Family Tree DNA under the Big Y Matching report. They most likely originated after the Owen Picton family and Dean A. Picton family split. So the Dean A. Picton family does not have them or the Family Tree DNA test did not pick them up. Other Picton families could have these 2 unique SNP's depending on when our common ancestor lived. Owen Picton does have the above 9 common SNP's 8519194/(FGC10247), BY41116/(8801380.AG.A?), 15353475/(FGC10252), 15784769/(FGC10253), 16132308.TGATA.T, 17881502/(FGC10256), 22440176/(FGC10263), 23410034/(FGC10266) and 23472658/(FGC10267).
YDNA Haplogroups for the Owen Picton family have 2 additional unique SNP's by Big Y Haploogroup file 17150591/(FGC10255) and 18073982/(FGC10258) occurring (or three additional unique SNP's 13816165, 15038711 and 15962102 are shown by Big Y of FTDNA occurring) which do not show up for Dean Picton on the Family Tree DNA under the Big Y Matching report. They most likely originated after the Owen Picton family and Dean A. Picton family split. So the Dean A. Picton family does not have them or the Family Tree DNA test did not pick them up. Other Picton families could have these 2 unique SNP's depending on when our common ancestor lived. Owen Picton does have the above 9 common SNP's 8519194/(FGC10247), BY41116/(8801380.AG.A?), 15353475/(FGC10252), 15784769/(FGC10253), 16132308.TGATA.T, 17881502/(FGC10256), 22440176/(FGC10263), 23410034/(FGC10266) and 23472658/(FGC10267).
YDNA Haplogroups for the Dean A. Picton family also do have the 9 Picton family SNP's listed above that are common to both and they occurred before the Owen Picton family and Dean A. Picton ancestor split, so the Dean A.Picton family has them. These 9 common SNP's are 8519194/(FGC10247), BY41116/(8801380.AG.A?), 15353475/(FGC10252), 15784769/(FGC10253), 16132308.TGATA.T, 17881502/(FGC10256), 22440176/(FGC10263), 23410034/(FGC10266) and 23472658/(FGC10267). Dean A. Picton would also have new unique SNP's such as 14609823, 19228910, 22548458, 2885274, and 6921836 occurring within his Dean A. Picton family after the split which the Owen Picton family does not have.
YDNA Haplogroups for the Dean A. Picton family also do have the 9 Picton family SNP's listed above that are common to both and they occurred before the Owen Picton family and Dean A. Picton ancestor split, so the Dean A.Picton family has them. These 9 common SNP's are 8519194/(FGC10247), BY41116/(8801380.AG.A?), 15353475/(FGC10252), 15784769/(FGC10253), 16132308.TGATA.T, 17881502/(FGC10256), 22440176/(FGC10263), 23410034/(FGC10266) and 23472658/(FGC10267). Dean A. Picton would also have new unique SNP's such as 14609823, 19228910, 22548458, 2885274, and 6921836 occurring within his Dean A. Picton family after the split which the Owen Picton family does not have.
* YBP stands for "Years Before Present" and using the starting year of present to be the year 1950 AD.
* YBP stands for "Years Before Present" and using the starting year of present to be the year 1950 AD.
** Two parallel SNP's U106+ and P312+ descendant from a common ancestor at about the same time between about 2500 BC to 2900 BC.
** Two parallel SNP's U106+ and P312+ descendant from a common ancestor at about the same time between about 2500 BC to 2900 BC.
The estimated age of the Nichols/Hallatt/Picton oldest splitting is calculated by me to be about 1200 to 1560 years YBP by using the starting year of present to be the year 1950 and counting back about 135 years for each SNP. This 1200 to 1560 year YBP estimate may be off 300 to 400 years either way.
The estimated age of the Nichols/Hallatt/Picton oldest splitting is calculated by me to be about 1200 to 1560 years YBP by using the starting year of present to be the year 1950 and counting back about 135 years for each SNP. This 1200 to 1560 year YBP estimate may be off 300 to 400 years either way.
The only ancient U106+ found so far was from a Swedish Battle-Axe grave - possibly a sub-branch of the Corded Ware culture - in Lilla Beddinge, Sweden, dating to 2275-2032 BC.
The only ancient U106+ found so far was from a Swedish Battle-Axe grave - possibly a sub-branch of the Corded Ware culture - in Lilla Beddinge, Sweden, dating to 2275-2032 BC.
The earliest ancient P312+ samples found so far were from Bell Beaker graves in Quedlinburg,Germany, dating to between 2296-2206 BC.
The earliest ancient P312+ samples found so far were from Bell Beaker graves in Quedlinburg,Germany, dating to between 2296-2206 BC.
YDNA Haplogroup R1b Overview. Additionally: The above YDNA Haplogroup R1b has a Wikipedia write up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b that contains a chart called "Evolutionary tree of human Y-chromosome DNA (Y-DNA) haplogroups" at the end just before the references. One can go to most of the various YDNA Haplogroup write ups above R1b in the Tree by clicking on that YDNA Haplogroup within this chart. This may also provide projected ages when each YDNA Haplogroup began.
YDNA Haplogroup R1b Overview. Additionally: The above YDNA Haplogroup R1b has a Wikipedia write up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b that contains a chart called "Evolutionary tree of human Y-chromosome DNA (Y-DNA) haplogroups" at the end just before the references. One can go to most of the various YDNA Haplogroup write ups above R1b in the Tree by clicking on that YDNA Haplogroup within this chart. This may also provide projected ages when each YDNA Haplogroup began.
The age calculations for R1b and above came from Wikipedia Haplogroup listings. I used age calculations for haplogroups between R1b to R-L493 made by the R1b-U106 Y-DNA Haplogroup website people Raymond Wing's Complete Tree making these calculations.
The age calculations for R1b and above came from Wikipedia Haplogroup listings. I used age calculations for haplogroups between R1b to R-L493 made by the R1b-U106 Y-DNA Haplogroup website people Raymond Wing's Complete Tree making these calculations.
Finally, I would like to know the physical beginning locations where U106 became Z381 became Z301 became L48 became L47 became L44 became L46 became L45 became L477 and L493. Maybe a L477 clue is that the following families split off at various times after the R-L477 and R-L493 SNP's began.
Finally, I would like to know the physical beginning locations where U106 became Z381 became Z301 became L48 became L47 became L44 became L46 became L45 became L477 and L493. Maybe a L477 clue is that the following families split off at various times after the R-L477 and R-L493 SNP's began.