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Project Co-ordinators:
Brian Picton Swann, Owen S. Picton, Jeanette Froeschner and Dean A. Picton


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Y CHROMOSOME DNA TESTING

We recommend that you test at Family Tree DNA for STR markers because we have an established Picton Project there and there is a discount involved. A DNA test will indicate if you belong to the Picton families from Pembrokeshire. Please help and contribute to our family knowledge pool by contacting us and sharing what information you know about your own Picton family connections. We have DNA results from some Picton families with origins other than Wales.

We strongly recommend also that you begin by testing your Y-DNA initially first for the 37 STR markers offered by FTDNA. An additional Deep Ancestry test for the SNP L46 at FTDNA; is an additional option if you have been tested at these STR markers. Picton families from Pembrokeshire should all tests positive for this SNP as the lowest downstream Haplogroup marker. At present this is the deepest SNP applicable to the Picton surname families of Welsh origin. If you test for this SNP, you can also join the R1b-U106/S21+ Project at FTDNA which is a Yahoo Groups Forum dedicated to discussion on the origins and downstream markers from this SNP. To view the R1b-U106_S21 Bulletin Board messages and latest results at FTDNA - click here[BPS1] ..

You may match the DNA of the Picton families from Wales if you match the two STRs shown below and your last name is Picton:
STR385b=13
YCAIIa=21
If your last name is not Picton, you must also test positive for the SNP L46.

Currently 11 members belonging to the Picton Surname Project show a connection to Wales. Three other members show a totally different origin of the surname and two members are connected to Wales according to the paper records, but this is not confirmed by their DNA test results.

You should join ysearch if you have STRs tested at either company.



Picton Y-DNA Research SNP Results

The PICTON Family DNA Haplogroup is R1b1b2a1a4 (ISOGG Tree, 2009)

The Picton Family from Wales belong to the R1b Haplogroup and in addition test positive for the following SNPs:

U106/S21+, L48+, L47+, L44+ and L46+

A Deep-R SNP subclade test for Owen Samuel Picton was made by Ethnoancestry and by Family Tree DNA (FTDNA). These tests showed the Picton families from Wales to be part of the R1b-M269 subclade called Haplogroup R1b-U106 (or R1b-U106/S21+). This was previously known as Haplogroup R1b1c9*, then Haplogroup R1b1b2g and then R1b1b2a1a*. A convenient way to describe these Haplogroups is just to use the last SNP marker which tests positive. On this basis the Picton Haplogroup is R1b-L46. An age estimate for the R1b-L48 ancestor is about 800 BC.

The Haplogroup SNP test results from FTDNA shows the Picton family tests positive for markers L48, L47, L44 and L46. The Picton family has a Haplogroup currently assigned as R1b1b2a1a4 because of the positive test for marker L48. This Haplogroup designation may change when names are given for SNPs called L47+, L44+ and L46+. An evolving nomenclature is to name the Haplogroup after the last SNP in the descent tree. In this case it would be R1b-L46.

Understanding Your Y-chromosome DNA Test Results


SNP discussion on L48, L47, L44 and L46

I, Owen Picton tests positive for the SNP’s L48, L47, L44 and L46. The SNP L47 is a subclade to L48, L44 is a subclade to L47 and L46 is a subclade of L44. So far, besides myself, only five other individuals, including Craig Venter have tested positive for all these SNPs down through all levels to SNP L46. Craig Venter and his group are generally regarded as playing a major role in the sequencing of the human genome (HUGO).

There is a greater GD (genetic distance) between us and also between those who are only L47+. This may mean that the founders for these SNP;s L48+ L47+ L44+ and L46+ all happen to live within a fairly short period of time to each other.

The GD from me for 3 of the L46+ people are:
- ysearch 3k37y has GD 20 out of 72 markers
- ysearch 6TYRN has GD 5 out of 25 markers
- ysearch EM5R3 has GD 16 out of 67 markers

Others from me who are only L47+:
- ysearch 28uta has GD 28 out of 67 markers
- ysearch 38jnr has 18 out of 67 markers
- ysearch ED28N has GD 24 out of 67 markers
- ysearch V2JBN has GD 24 out of 67 markers

To show how slow GD mutates from myself:
Another Picton (Dean A. Picton) has a GD of 6 out of 67 STR markers when tested at FTDNA. We match on 41 out of 43 markers when tested at DNA Heritage. An estimate based on paper documentation is that our common ancestor could be Jenkin Picton of Newport, Pembrokeshire, who lived almost 600 years ago in the early to mid-1400s. Another Picton family, who we can show by an established paper trail had a common ancestor with myself about 260 years ago has a match of 42 out of 43 markers when tested at DNA Heritage. This shows how slowly recent genetic changes have occurred, although this is a function of the markers selected.

Thus Dean Picton and myself have a GD of 5 when tested on the FTDNA 1-37 STR panel of markers and this only increases to 6 when markers 38-67 are added in. Markers with a high level of mutation rates include: DYS439, DYS464c, GATA A10, DYS576, CDYa and CDYb.


DNA markers of the Picton family

A comment about markers that are "DNA markers of the Picton family". Most or all Pictons share these DNA markers. These markers are separating the Picton family from others in this world. This genetic signature is like our surname.

Only the Picton family has the following criteria:
Must be L46+

STR385b=13
YCAIIa=21
No one else meets this criteria.

Markers of Owen Picton with some difference to other Picton's include:
STR439=13
CDYb=40
STR537=11
We sometimes differ on a number of other markers within the Picton family group not compared for the L46 study.

Unique haplogroups are like a name which would tie you to a family before the time surnames became standardized. My own family can be traced back to a Philip Picton who lived around 1260 at Newport, Pembrokeshire, Wales. I have L46 common ancestors back in an estimated time frame of about 1400 years ago in Continental Europe where the L46 founder lived (i.e. 600 A.D.). These few other people also have L46 and we would be descendants from a common ancestor. Finally, if you are close to my STR pattern then I would encourage you to get a deep clade test performed to aid in determining the origin of the L48, L47, L44 and L46 founders.


New WTY test is being made on the Picton Y-DNA

Our objective is to find at least one SNP that may lie below or between the L48, L47, L44, and L46 SNP markers. This would help segregate these markers even further. It will also be interesting to see how the Picton family compares to Craig Venter (who has had his entire DNA genome sequenced and is available online). We could even find a private Picton family SNP. We should know a lot more when various WTY results become available on the various members of the R1b-L48 Haplogroup.

The results include all the actual chromats, a spreadsheet summarizing the chromats, and a spreadsheet of the results. The chromat files are .ab1 files so one needs software to view the files. It is suggested using FinchTV software (a free software).



Picton Y DNA Research STR Results

A 67 Marker Genetic Sequence result for Owen Samuel Picton from Family Tree DNA using the DNA sample taken for the National Geographic Genographic Project

Haplotype detail:
PANEL 1 (1-12)
DYS393: 13; DYS390: 23; DYS19: 14; DYS391: 10; DYS385a: 11; DYS385b: 13; DYS426: 12; DYS388: 12; DYS439: 13; DYS389-1: 13; DYS392: 13; DYS389-2: 29

PANEL 2 (13-25)
DYS458: 17; DYS459a: 9; DYS459b: 10; DYS455: 11; DYS454: 11; DYS447: 25; DYS437: 15; DYS448: 19; DYS449: 30; DYS464a: 15; DYS464b: 15; DYS464c: 17; DYS464d: 17

PANEL 3 (26-37)
DYS460: 11; DYSGATA H4: 11; DYSYCA II a: 21; DYSYCA II b: 23; DYS456: 15; DYS607: 15; DYS576: 18; DYS570: 17; DYSCDY a: 37; DYSCDY b: 40; DYS442: 13; DYS438: 12

PANEL 4 (38 - 47)
DYS531: 12; DYS578: 9; DYS395S1a: 16; DYS395S1b: 16; DYS590: 8; DYS537: 11; DYS641: 10; DYS472: 8; DYS406S1: 9; DYS511: 10

PANEL 4 (48 - 60)
DYS425: 12; DYS413a: 23; DYS413b: 23; DYS557: 16; DYS594: 10; DYS436: 12; DYS490: 12; DYS534: 15; DYS450: 8; DYS444: 12; DYS481: 21; DYS520: 20; DYS446: 13

PANEL 4 (61 - 67)
DYS617: 12; DYS568: 11; DYS487: 13; DYS572: 11; DYS640: 11; DYS492: 13; DYS565: 12

Haplotype detail:

A 43 Marker Genetic Sequence result for Owen Samuel Picton from DNA Heritage includes some of the above marker results plus markers below:

Additional DNA Heritage Haplotype details:
DYS425: 12; DYS461: 12; DYS462: 11; DYSA10: 15; DYS635: 23; DYS1B07: 1; DYS441: 15; DYS444: 12; DYS445: 12; DYS446: 13; DYS452: 30; DYS463: 24

I notice that the value for marker DYS442 is shown by DNA Heritage as 18 and by Family Tree DNA as 13. I talked to Family Tree DNA and they said they report the value as 5 less than DNA Heritage.

DNA Heritage records have been given to Family Tree DNA (FTDNA)


GATA-H4/TAGA-H4 - This marker is also called TAGA-H4 by DNA Heritage, Relative Genetics, and NIST, and called GATA-H4 by FTDNA. When the marker is reported as GATA-H4, its value is one less than when it is reported as TAGA-H4. Y-Search uses GATA-H4 and this will be used by the haplogroup predictor program also. If you have a value for TAGA-H4, then subtract one from the value before entering it in the Y-Search program. The reverse is true for "ybase" searches.

The above DYS389-2: is 29 by DNA Heritage but is 16 by the Genographic Project at National Geographic because for all DNA sites one must add ones results for 389-2 and 389-1 together and enter this as the total value for 389-2 which would be 29 for DYS389-2 except for the Genographic Project where DYS389-2 remains 16.

Gemetic research from "Y- Search"

Then go down and select "Y-Search"
Then select "Search for genetic matches"
Then for my "Enter User ID" enter "HX838"
Then Click on "Search" and enter in how you want the search.
The Haplogroup is R1b

A 12 Marker Genetic Sequence result for Owen Samuel Picton from Genographic Project at National Geographic

Type: Y-Chromosome
Haplogroup: R1b (M343)

My 12 Marker STRs

DYS393:=13   DYS439:=13   DYS388:=12   DYS385a:=11
DYS19:=14   DYS389-1:=13   DYS390:=23   DYS385b:=13
DYS391:=10   DYS389-2:=16   DYS426:=12   DYS392:=13

The above DYS389-2: was 16 by the Genographic Project at National Geographic but when comparing to other DNA sites one must add ones results for 389-2 and 389-1 together and enter the total value for 389-2 which would be 29 for DYS389-2 when comparing to other sites. How to Interpret My Results


Above are results from the laboratory analysis of my Y-chromosome. My DNA was analyzed for Short Tandem Repeats (STRs), which are repeating segments of my genome that have a high mutation rate. The location on the Y chromosome of each of these markers is depicted in the image, with the number of repeats for each of your STRs presented to the right of the marker. For example, DYS19 is a repeat of TAGA, so if your DNA repeated that sequence 12 times at that location, it would appear: DYS19 12. Studying the combination of these STR lengths in your Y Chromosome allows researchers to place you in a haplogroup, which reveals the complex migratory journeys of your ancestors. Y-SNP: In the event that the analysis of your STRs was inconclusive, your Y chromosome was also tested for the presence of an informative Single Nucleotide Polymorphism (SNP). These are mutational changes in a single nucleotide base, and allow researchers to definitively place you in a genetic haplogroup.

What a 12 Marker exact match result means:

The 12 Marker result from the Y-chromosome test is called a Haplotype, and can help determine how common is ones DNA sample.

A 12 Marker exact match result to someone with the SAME surname, means there is a high probability that you are related.


One is most likely "NOT recently related" on a 12 marker exact match result to someone else who does not have the same surname. The term "NOT recently related", may mean a time frame between 1000 to 2000 years ago or more.


The likelihood that we are related is much greater on a 43 marker match than on a 12 marker match, when checking matches on 12, 25, 37 or 43 markers.

Dr. Luigi Lucca Cavalli-Sforza, Professor Emeritus, Stanford University, in his book: The Great Human Diasporas: The History of Diversity and Evolutions says that the total population of Europe was 60,000 people at the end of the last Ice Age, about 10,000 years ago. Europe now has a population of 300 million people.

So sometimes European people alive today will have a 12 marker match with other Europeans from before the time that our ancestors began using surnames. Matching someone with a different surname most likely means the connection is distant rather then recent.

Picton Family STR test results for those individuals with the surname Picton

Not quite so simple. Mainly because most of our testing has been done with DNA Heritage out to 43 markers. Nine of these markers do not overlap with FTDNA 1-37 markers.

We have 11 individuals to date in the database, including Owen Picton, who are clearly related on the basis of the DNA results. We have two testers also who should be related (both families from Pembrokeshire) - but are clearly NPEs (Non-Paternity Events), unfortunately - and 3 Picton samples which clearly represent a totally different origin of the surname; perhaps not too surprising given their locations, all of which are non-Welsh. The initial aim should be to recruit and test at least one Picton candidate in each branch of every Welsh Picton family, and longer-term ideally two candidates so that the genetic signature of that branch can be defined relatively unambiguously.

We have marker DYS385b = 13 across all 11 people. Three of these, including Owen, have a paper trail back to 1260 or thereabouts - but in fact descend from a common ancestor who lived from 1713/4 to about 1793. I can find no evidence from paper records for an earlier male branch point on this line going backwards, with a male line that survives down to the present day, until you get to the 1400s and Jenkin Picton. There is one slight possibility, but that is all. The fate of all other male branches is to die out.

All the rest of the Pictons of Pembrokeshire come from branches where it is difficult to get back on paper before about 1750, principally because of the poor survival of parish registers and transcripts in Wales. These results represent four separate lines at present, already tested (Freystrop/Burton; Martletwy; Camrose; Haroldston West) and with another four lines feasible (Carew; Cosheston; Haverfordwest; Llandisilio). The line which contains Sir Thomas Picton also remains theoretically possible, but exceptionally difficult to achieve in practice. Two of these four other lines have produced the NPE events described earlier when tested. So we are trying to work round that by finding alternative branches and candidates from the NPE line. This is a general process used in genetic genealogy called triangulation on a selected ancestor by following different male pathways to potential DNA candidates living today. One line has even taken the best part of 3 years to locate a single DNA candidate. That individual was in Washington State, USA, and then he turned out to be a NPE. The other NPE line, frustratingly, is my own Picton line (Picton of Cosheston), as an Elizabeth Picton (1805-1882) was my g-g-grandmother. Again it has taken me >2 years to locate an alternative candidate.

Owen S. Picton has DYS439 = 13; but this marker is quite variable within the whole group. One of the other two testers who share a common ancestor with Owen in the eighteenth century has 439 = 14 and the other is 13 as well. Most of the other Picton families have 439 = 12, but one has 439 = 13 also, and we have a paper trail connecting him to one of the 439 = 12 results. Until this result came in very recently, I used to think that 439 = 13 or higher was specific to Owen's branch, but this idea now has to be revised. All this just shows that DYS439 is is a very fast mutating marker, in our family at least.

YCAIIa = 21 is common across all 11 samples tested to date.
CDYb = 40 is an FTDNA-specific marker. Our other Picton candidate, has CDYb = 39.
DYS537 = 11 is an FTDNA-specific marker. Again our other candidate, has 537 = 10.
DYS481 = 21 is an FTDNA-specific marker, common to both Owen Picton and other Picton.

Other markers where the Picton of Whitechurch line and other Picton lines differ, plus others, not discussed above are:

DYS 388 - we have three samples where this is 13 the other eight are 12.
DYS 444 - we have one sample out of eleven where this is 13, all the rest are 12.
DYS 461 - we have one sample out of eleven where this 13, all the rest are 12.
DYS464c - we have nine samples with 17, one with 16 and one with 15.
All other DYS 464 markers (a, b, d) are the same across all 11 samples.
GATA A10 we have Owen's family line of three samples with 15, all other samples are 14. This is now the only marker which is specific to Owen's branch of the surname.

In addition to CDYb, above, we have DYS576 differing by one between Owen (18) and other Picton (19) and also CDYa - which is 37 for Owen and 36 for other Picton.

The conclusion from all this is that it does not seem worth upgrading from 37 to 67 markers with FTDNA. Only one extra STR mutation difference at DYS537 was seen. But it would be good to test the 9 markers that FTDNA have in their 1-37 panel that do not overlap with DNA Heritage. Specifically the fast mutating markers DYS570, DYS576, CDYa and CDYb across all samples could provide extra discriminating power between branches of the surname. As FTDNA has announced recently that for an extra payment they will test markers used by other testing companies that are not part of their 1-37 STR marker package, then we should add these extra nine markers to the main FTDNA package, so as we maintain the integrity of our database but maximise the potential for assessing branching points between families, with the goal of being able to extrapolate the order in which the STR changes occurred down the Picton family tree and hence determine the branch-point for each line.



Estimated Picton Y-DNA Past History

The Picton family tests positive for the SNP's L48+, L47+, L44+ and L46+. There may be more as more testing is done.

It has been established that the largest haplogroup among men of European ancestry is R1b-M269. The subclade called U106/S21+ may represents 25% of the R1b-M269 male population. It is estimated that the first U106/S21+ man lived 3,000 to 7,000 years ago. Some think the first U106 man lived somewhere in the lower part of Sweden. There is much debate about all this.



The Picton Family is part of this U106/S21+ subclade. My ancestors have been traced back to Philip Picton born about the year 1260. All my male ancestors back and including Philip Picton have to be Haplogroup U106 and have similar SNP markers. All different Picton lines DNA tested thus far from Pembrokeshire, Wales show we are related and most likely share the same ancestor line descending from Philip Picton. The problem is finding where the different lines branched off my Picton line. Very few U106 famlies can trace there ancestors back to the year 1240. This is what makes the Picton Family Tree back to the year 1240 so important for doing research on the origins of U106.

The following information was displayed at Picton Castle, Pembrokeshire, Wales and is the earliest known reference of my name Picton:
"Year 1108
Henry I (of England) settled a large force of Flemings, who had been displaced from Flanders by inundations of the sea. In the centref of Rhos and the western half of Daugleddau.

Wizo, the Flemish warlord seized the latter area, built a motte and bailey castle at Winston (Wizo’s ton or settlement) about 3 miles NNE of Picton, and this became his base for the subjection of the area. At first his knights would have lived in his household at Winston, but after the pacification of the district they were planted on estates for FEES, one of which was Picton. The original earth work castle of Picton stands a few hundred yards East of the present castle entrance."

Could Wizo the Fleming or some of those with him be of the YDNA Haplogroup R1b-U106/S21+? Was the ancestor of Philip Picton be with this group coming from Flanders?

A very early Welsh family tree said the ancestor of Philip Picton was a foreigner. Where did the the first Picton in Pembrokeshire, Wales come from? Did he come from Flanders, Normandy, or France? It is hoped that with additional DNA testing of individuals from these locations that a match can be found. It is surprising that a close match with anyone including anyone in Wales has not been found except those with the last name of Picton.


Current projected journey for the ancestors of Owen Picton

Current projections came from information by Charles Moore

R1b references have previously typically begun with R1b-M269 (R1b1b2) (old R1b1c). However, as a result of the recent discovery of its immediate subclade R1b-L23, and L23's subclade L51, and L51's subclade L11 (the parent of U106 and P312), it has become reasonably clear, despite somewhat smallish numbers, that M269 and its immediate subclade L23, both characterized by the ancestral DYS STR 393=12, originated not far from the origin of R1b itself, somewhere near the Caspian Sea.

Some L23s made their way into Europe naturally, especially into Eastern Europe, the Balkans, and notably, southern Italy.

Nevertheless, it now seems clear that the L23 subclade L51 is the start of a virtually uniquely European form of R1b, which probably originated somewhere not far from Istanbul, and which is also conveniently characterized by the extremely highly correlating change to 393=13.

Consequently, with due respect to the small numbers of L23s in Europe, we can now begin European originated R1b subclades with L51 and its 393=13 count.

Many believe that the L51 subclade L11 must have split into two groups, southeast of the Alps, taking various rivers in different directions. The one for P312 and its subclades and family SNPS comes first, followed by the one for our own U106.

The group that became P312 took the southern route south of the Alps, and somewhere near the Riviera, P312 formed and flourished, and populated Spain, France, Britain, and Ireland.

Meanwhile, the group that became U106 moved north of the Alps and then west on the Danube towards the Rhine. Somehow the Picton family (who are U106) ended up in Wales


Current projected journey DATES for the ancestors of Owen Picton

Looking at it in reverse with estimated time frames from information by Charles Moore.

Realize that the following are only estimates based on the mutation rates of the STR;s after a SNP was created.

The MRCA (most recent common ancestor) of the L46+ is about 1492 years ago.

The MRCA of the L44+ is about 1800 years ago.

The MRCA of the L47+ is about 2076 years ago.

The MRCA (most recent common ancestor) of the L48+ testers in the project is about 1100 BC, and I would suggest that this person most likely lived in or not too far from the Rhine valley.

The MRCA of the U106 project members lived about 1200 BC, perhaps not too far from the Danube. The Danube, running east, and the Rhine, running north, reach within 30 miles of one another north of western Switzerland.

The MRCA of U106 and P312, who would have been an L11, lived about 1450 BC, perhaps not too far from the lower Danube, or in the upper Balkans.

The MRCA of that group and the L11* group, lived about 1600 BC, perhaps in the Balkans.

The MRCA of the L11s and the L51* group, who would have been an L51, lived about 1700 BC, perhaps not too far from Istanbul.

The MRCA of the L51s and the L23* group, an L23, lived about 1950 BC in SW Asia, perhaps not far from the Caspian Sea.

Somewhat less clear is the MRCA of the L23s and the M269* group, an M269, who lived in that area perhaps around 2200 BC.


Discussion on U106 and P312

Taken from information by Charles Moore.

Since the recent discovery of the M269 SNP cascade running through L23 to L51 to L11, I think from a general European R1b standpoint, or at least from a P312 and U106 standpoint, it may make sense for most of us to start using L51 as a sort-of base point. This is the group that highly correlates with the change to 393=13, instead of the previous 12, which highly correlates with the L23s found much more in SW Asia, the Caucasus, and Russia, than in Central or Western Europe.

The L11*, L51*, and L23* testing groups are very small, so we have to be careful. Vince is working with these testers, so that is ideal. AS far as I know, L51 and L11 may be concentrated primarily in the Balkans. So certainly from a further migration into Europe standpoint, the lower Danube would be an obvious route, even though working upstream.

These dates and locations seem to make clear that old theories about the last ice age, the Iberian peninsula, and the Baltic, don't work well with the "big picture".

If we look at a good map of Europe in total, and we focus on Central Europe, the Balkans, the Danube, the Alps, and the Rhine, we can gain a good picture of our early L11 ancestors making their way through that central area about 1500 BC. Ultimately, the P312s would dominate Spain, France, Britain, and Ireland, while the smaller U106 would be more prevalent in the Netherlands, Germany, and Austria, with a bit less concentration in Britain, Denmark, Switzerland, and the Czech Republic, per the Myres study.

As always with genealogy, and genetic genealogy is not really too different in that regard, everyone is free to imagine their own theories in areas where we will perhaps never really know with a very high degree of certainty, what the facts really are.

I thought for a long time, and rarely said so, that the old dating estimates for our group were way too long into the past. Now I have become concerned that the current dating estimates are starting to look too short! Was our group really this late to arrive on the scene?



The below was the understanding in 2006 but there has been changes sense then

DNA Migration Research for Owen Samuel PICTON

copied from information produced by National Geographic

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Migration map for the ancestors of Owen Samuel Picton over the last 50,000 years

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The below was the understanding in 2006 but there has been changes sense then

Genetic History Journey for Owen Samuel Picton from Genographic Project at National Geographic

Your Y chromosome results identify you as a member of haplogroup R1b, a lineage defined by a genetic marker called M343. This haplogroup is the final destination of a genetic journey that began some 60,000 years ago with an ancient Y chromosome marker called M168.

The very widely dispersed M168 marker can be traced to a single individual—"Eurasian Adam." This African man, who lived some 31,000 to 79,000 years ago, is the common ancestor of every non-African person living today. His descendants migrated out of Africa and became the only lineage to survive away from humanity's home continent.

Population growth during the Upper Paleolithic era may have spurred the M168 lineage to seek new hunting grounds for the plains animals crucial to their survival. A period of moist and favorable climate had expanded the ranges of such animals at this time, so these nomadic peoples may have simply followed their food source.

Improved tools and rudimentary art appeared during this same epoch, suggesting significant mental and behavioral changes. These shifts may have been spurred by a genetic mutation that gave "Eurasian Adam's" descendants a cognitive advantage over other contemporary, but now extinct, human lineages.

Some 90 to 95 percent of all non-Africans are descendants of the second great human migration out of Africa, which is defined by the marker M89.

M89 first appeared 45,000 years ago in Northern Africa or the Middle East. It arose on the original lineage (M168) of "Eurasian Adam," and defines a large inland migration of hunters who followed expanding grasslands and plentiful game to the Middle East.

Many people of this lineage remained in the Middle East, but others continued their movement and followed the grasslands through Iran to the vast steppes of Central Asia. Herds of buffalo, antelope, woolly mammoths, and other game probably enticed them to explore new grasslands.

With much of Earth's water frozen in massive ice sheets, the era's vast steppes stretched from eastern France to Korea. The grassland hunters of the M89 lineage traveled both east and west along this steppe "superhighway" and eventually peopled much of the continent.

A group of M89 descendants moved north from the Middle East to Anatolia and the Balkans, trading familiar grasslands for forests and high country. Though their numbers were likely small, genetic traces of their journey are still found today.

Some 40,000 years ago a man in Iran or southern Central Asia was born with a unique genetic marker known as M9, which marked a new lineage diverging from the M89 group. His descendants spent the next 30,000 years populating much of the planet.

Most residents of the Northern Hemisphere trace their roots to this unique individual, and carry his defining marker. Nearly all North Americans and East Asians have the M9 marker, as do most Europeans and many Indians. The haplogroup defined by M9, K, is known as the Eurasian Clan.

This large lineage dispersed gradually. Seasoned hunters followed the herds ever eastward, along a vast belt of Eurasian steppe, until the massive mountain ranges of south central Asia blocked their path.

The Hindu Kush, Tian Shan, and Himalaya, even more formidable during the era's ice age, divided eastward migrations. These migrations through the "Pamir Knot" region would subsequently become defined by additional genetic markers.

The marker M45 first appeared about 35,000 to 40,000 years ago in a man who became the common ancestor of most Europeans and nearly all Native Americans. This unique individual was part of the M9 lineage, which was moving to the north of the mountainous Hindu Kush and onto the game-rich steppes of Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and southern Siberia.

The M45 lineage survived on these northern steppes even in the frigid Ice Age climate. While big game was plentiful, these resourceful hunters had to adapt their behavior to an increasingly hostile environment. They erected animal skin shelters and sewed weathertight clothing. They also refined the flint heads on their weapons to compensate for the scarcity of obsidian and other materials.

The intelligence that allowed this lineage to adapt and thrive in harsh conditions was critical to human survival in a region where no other hominids are known to have survived.

Members of haplogroup R are descendents of Europe's first large-scale human settlers. The lineage is defined by Y chromosome marker M173, which shows a westward journey of M45-carrying Central Asian steppe hunters.

The descendents of M173 arrived in Europe around 35,000 years ago and immediately began to make their own dramatic mark on the continent. Famous cave paintings, like those of Lascaux and Chauvet, signal the sudden arrival of humans with artistic skill. There are no artistic precedents or precursors to their appearance.

Soon after this lineage's arrival in Europe, the era of the Neandertals came to a close. Genetic evidence proves that these hominids were not human ancestors but an evolutionary dead end. Smarter, more resourceful human descendents of M173 likely outcompeted Neandertals for scarce Ice Age resources and thus heralded their demise.

The long journey of this lineage was further shaped by the preponderance of ice at this time. Humans were forced to southern refuges in Spain, Italy, and the Balkans. Years later, as the ice retreated, they moved north out of these isolated refuges and left an enduring, concentrated trail of the M173 marker in their wake.

Today, for example, the marker's frequency remains very high in northern France and the British Isles—where it was carried by M173 descendents who had weathered the Ice Age in Spain.

Members of haplogroup R1b, defined by M343 are the direct descendents of Europe's first modern humans—known as the Cro-Magnon people.

Cro-Magnons arrived in Europe some 35,000 years ago, during a time when Neandertals still lived in the region. M343-carrying peoples made woven clothing and constructed huts to withstand the frigid climes of the Upper Paleolithic era. They used relatively advanced tools of stone, bone, and ivory. Jewelry, carvings, and intricate, colorful cave paintings bear witness to the Cro Magnons' surprisingly advanced culture during the last glacial age.

When the ice retreated genetically homogenous groups recolonized the north, where they are still found in high frequencies. Some 70 percent of men in southern England are R1b. In parts of Spain and Ireland that number exceeds 90 percent.

There are many sublineages within R1b that are yet to be defined. The Genographic Project hopes to bring future clarity to the disparate parts of this distinctive European lineage.

I submitted my DNA to the Genographic Project at National Geographic in December, 2005. They provided me with the above information and migration history of my ancestor origin for over the last 50,000 years.

Genographic Project DNA Research
Please click on above line if you wish to go to the Genographic Project website for DNA Research by National Geographic. Then select "Atlas of the Human Journey". Go to "Genetic Markers, select for my M343 and then travel back from there. You may also do other searching.



Picton Y DNA Information

Comments on James D. Watson and Craig Venter

The human genome sequence [HUGO = Human Genome Organisation] has resulted in the full DNA sequence for James D. Watson and recently for Craig Venter. It appears that they both have a Haplogroup assignment of R1b1b2a1a* (also known as S21+) which is the same for the Picton family. Could it be that these two individuals and the Picton's have the same direct male line ancestor who has lived within the last 2000 years? I suggest that you do a google on R1b1b2a1a* and Watson or Venter to see what you find. Craig Venter also tests positive for L48+, L47+, L44+ and L46+ (same as myself) so he is now Haplogroup R1b1b2a1a4.

Below Watson and Venter information taken from information by Charles Moore.

As many know, James Watson's and Craig Venter's entire 6 billion base pair human genomes were mapped several years ago, at something like a million dollars each. The 23 chromosomes have an average of about 260 million base pairs each. The Y chromosome has "only" about 57 million base pairs. Mitochondria has 16,000.

To confirm Watson's and Venter's status with regard to presently known Y SNPs, I consulted with published lists of their Y SNPs, which are much easier than looking at their published genomes.

James Watson is R1b-U106*.

He is positive for U106 and negative for all of its known published subclades, including U198, L1, P107, L5, L6, P89.2, L127, and L48. To be extra thorough, I also confirmed that he is negative for L48 subclades L47 and the brand new L148, and the U106 brother clade P312.

Watson has lots of otherwise unknown SNPs, many of which are probably ancestral of U106 and therefore not very meaningful to us. Presumably some day, someone will match him at a SNP that is descendant of U106, and he will no longer be U106*. Until then, he obviously remains of interest to everyone who is also U106*. To remind everyone, that term means positive for U106, but negative for all of its known subclades.

Craig Venter is R1b-L46, the last in the line of known descendant SNPs running in order descendantly from U106 via L48, then L47, L44, and to L46. He is also positive for L45, the exact placement of which is still unknown, but which is probably somewhere around L44.

I checked Venter's SNP list for all of the SNPs descendant of U106 to be thorough. He is negative for all of them except the group which I sometimes call a "SNP cascade" descendant of L48 via L47 as mentioned above. He is negative for the brand new SNP L148.


Comments about Haplogroup assignment of R1b1b2a1a*. (also known as U106/S21+)

Haplogroup Prediction- Please click on left side of this line

Rev. Thomas Picton came to United States in the late 1700's from Wales. Rev. Thomas Picton had a father named Owen Picton, a grandfather named John Picton of Ty'rBwlch Farm and an uncle named Thomas Picton of Ty'rBwlch Farm. I am descendant from Thomas Picton of Ty'rBwlch Farm so we are related to Rev. Thomas Picton. I have pictures on this website of Ty'rBwlch Farm. Ty'rBwlch Farm is now part of a national park and it is even against the law to pick a flower from the yard because at the top of the hill above Ty'rBwlch Farm is where the stones for Stone Hinge were mined. One can go there, walk around where my ancestors lived and even stay at Trellyffaint Farm where my ancestor another Owen Picton lived about 500 years ago.

We have compared my DNA to a descendant of Rev. Thomas Picton and proved we are related. I think we differ by 1 marker when comparing 43 DYS martkers. There is a marker mutation rate so there should be a difference. Almost every male from my line with the last name Picton has DNA with the test results of R1b U106-S21+ and we all would tested positive for L48, L47, L44 and L46

The Picton family are descendant from Philip Picton born 1240 in Pembrokeshire, Wales. He is believed to be the younger brother of Sir William Picton of Picton Castle in Pembrokeshire, Wales. Descendants of Sir William Picton through his daughter Joan Picton still live at Picton Castle, which makes this the longest known and documented living place by one family in the world. Picton Castle is one of the better and I feel beautiful castles in Wales.

Wizo the Fleming

The following statement I found at Picton Castle, Pembrokeshire, Wales about Picton at the time nine hundred years ago: "Year 1108

Henry I (of England) settled a large force of Flemings, who had been displaced from Flanders by inundations of the sea. In the centref of Rhos and the western half of Daugleddau.

Wizo, the Flemish warlord seized the latter area, built a motte and bailey castle at Winston (Wizo’s ton or settlement) about 3 miles NNE of Picton, and this became his base for the subjection of the area. At first his knights would have lived in his household at Winston, but after the pacification of the district they were planted on estates for FEES, one of which was Picton. The original earth work castle of Picton stands a few hundred yards East of the present castle entrance."


Below stated on a website by Brian Picton Swann

Another question is will the Haplogroup assignment of R1b1b2a1a4 help show where the Picton family came from a 1000 years ago?

My two-penny worth on all this is that there has been quite a lot done on migration patterns of the Normans settling into Wales - but, of course, it does not lend itself to a couple of paragraphs on a Bulletin Board posting. It is quite a complex subject and quite a lot has been written about it. Likewise on the subject of Knight's Fees and what that entailed at this and later times. But let me quote two paragraphs from John Davies, A History of Wales, 2nd Edition, 2007, pp. 110-111.

The knights' fees were organised on a manorial basis, a system which may not have differed greatly from that of the maenor which had existed in parts of Wales before the coming of the Normans. The earliest records concerning the knights' fees are two hundred years later than the reign of Henry I (1100-1135); they show that most of the tenants of the manors in the Vale of Glamorgan bore English names, and they contain no suggestion that the tenants were recent incomers. It is clear therefore that English peasants, as well as Norman knights had migrated to Wales, not only to the Vale of Glamorgan but also to the Gower peninsula, Pembroke and Gwent Is Coed. As the history of Ireland amply proves, a dense settlement of peasants is always a more effective way of consolidating conquest than a thin layer of gentry. The ethnic nature of the most fertile areas of the southern fringes of Wales was changed by immigrants whom the Welsh were unable fully to assimilate.

Of these colonizations, the only one referred to in contemporary sources is that mentioned by Brut y Tywysogyon (Chronicles of the Princes) in its entry for 1105. The Brut states that in that year Henry I allowed a colony of Flemings to settle in the cantrefi (approximately equivalent to later-day Hundreds) of Rhos and Daugleddau in southern Dyfed (Pembrokeshire). According to Giraldus Cambrensis, they received the special patronage of the crown and although the Welsh sought on several occasions to expel them, the character of the region settled by them was transformed to such an extent that only seven of the almost fifty parishes of the two cantrefi bear Welsh names.

I hope we will gradually get a better sense of how these links may go across the Channel - the two obvious places are to the Low Countries (Flanders and Picardy) and to Normandy.

I hope also that we may stand a chance of getting a real UK surname expert, such as George Redmonds, to come to the next WDYTYA. Rumour has it that he is collaborating with Mark Jobling's group at Leicester University on this subject. I suspect that these migrations were step-wise processes for the bulk of the migrants involved.


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